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So I wrote up this little fic here for joannaestep’s birthday, which is in a couple of days. Happy birthday!!!
Rating: PG-13ish. It does involve a sort of maybe minor?
Pairing: Hawkeye/Kid Loki
Also caveat this is the first time I’ve ever tried to write Hawkeye or a Kid Loki that isn’t secretly a total creeper.
“You really should try some. It is most delicious and the cheese is extra… cheesy.”
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And for your Journey into Mystery feels today, because it is now stuck in my head for reasons I can’t fathom, the perfect Everything Burns theme song is David Bowie’s Cat People.
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So Kid Loki made Marvel’s top 3 for their Top Heroes of 2012 ranking, which I thought was pretty awesome considering JiM’s niche position and well, you know, it being Loki and all…
But then I saw Scott Summers listed at #4 and then I realized they’re seriously smoking crack. He should have probably topped the villains list for sheer douchebaggery alone.
Thanks to umakoo, I fervently wish for people to mention Thor still getting freckles about the shoulders sometimes and you know Loki licking them.
I have a thing for freckles. Freckled Thor destroys me.
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If you ever loved me
If you ever knew me
You should know that I am gone
VAST - Dedicate (A Place for Me)
As you know, I spent a lot of time compiling my Kid Loki fst before the series ended, and while I believe that all of the song calls still held up through the end of Everything Burns and JiM 645, I’ve wanted a post-645 song.
And I think this is as close as I am going to get.
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The mystery of the tube package has been solved. My sister can’t read and it was part of my Christmas swag from my beloved Jen.
AND WAS THIS AWESOME THOR AND KID LOKI POSTER.
ALSO I HOPE YOU GUYS ARE REALLY FUCKING JEALOUS THAT IS A GOD DAMN THOR NUTCRACKER.
Also included in this amazing package were Star Trek TOS, the Eagle, and the Hannibal Lecter collection on blu ray. Serving up in my OTPs in hi def.
I think kid Loki was an aspect of Loki’s heart which always existed, this part of him which DID want to be a hero, and wanted to fit in with the rest of Asgard.
Because Loki’s never WANTED to be this destroyer of worlds, this harbinger of the end of things, he’s…
*throws in two cents*
I think this one can very simply be summed up from the comics:
Loki even SAYS that Kid Loki isn’t Loki. It isn’t him. It just isn’t. And that’s what makes the erasing possible: some poisoned seed he put in this kid’s mind. (It almost makes me think Serrure was just some kid, right age and shape and attitude, that Loki got his hands on and shoved some magic into that would go off when Thor used Mjolnir. Kid Loki could tap into it to get vague memories and not be entirely lost, but it’s not him. Sorry, I digress—)
See, I don’t think Kid Loki is Loki as he once was. Perhaps Loki as he once wanted to be: he’s always been pretty fucked up and burdened with the self-centered nature of chaotic neutral types. (That’s what makes him a trickster: playing along, pretending to give a fuck about other people, when really if it doesn’t benefit him, he’s not going for it.)
But I think Kid Loki IS an idealized version of him. The kid everyone wanted Loki to be. That doesn’t mean that they trust him right away, but it means he could worm his way into everyone’s hearts. And that was Loki’s plan all along. He makes a kid clone of himself and sets him up to bask in Thor’s love. Seriously, there was no one else who even gave this kid the time of day (sometimes Jane, but she’s somewhat outside the scope of Asgard/ia so she wasn’t exactly someone to look up to). And Loki is the only one who can even begin to understand the layers and layers of schemes in Loki’s bag-of-cats mind. Loki knew the situation would be such that Kid Loki would develop big-brother-hero-worship of Thor. He would do his best to work against the preconceived notions they had of him and come out on the moral high ground.
Loki’s plot that finally came full circle in #645 required that Kid Loki not be Loki. It required him to want to be a hero and to be virtuous and so on. Because if he wasn’t, Kid Loki would have thrashed and raged and never succumbed to Loki. There’s not a doubt in my mind that Kid Loki would have fought back and won, if he thought everything would be okay and the Apocalypse could be averted. A real Loki would have fought back and won no matter who had to die in the process.
That’s the thing about Kid Loki. He can’t be Loki as he was, ever, because Loki will NOT sacrifice himself for ANYTHING unless it means he gets something out of it. Even if there were two identical Lokis running around, each would have self-preservation at the expense of the other at the top of his list. If Kid Loki were Loki, he would have pushed Loki under the bus to come out on top as THE winning Loki. If Kid Loki was just an earlier version of Loki as he was, he would have said, “Fuck off, I’m not going to sacrifice myself for those idiots, let the Fear Crown rule and the whole world burn.” He never would have sacrificed himself, not even for another Loki.
But Kid Loki didn’t. And that’s what makes him wonderful.
Edit: I’m just going to put this Katty excerpt here for your extra consideration.
Edit 2: Oops and this from Robin, too. Been a big day for this question and I’m just catching up. Way to make me rethink my ENTIRE
LIFEESSAY Robin. Not sure I agree with you 100% on this one, but gawd, how you make me think.
Making each other think is a very good thing, Izzy. <3
Disclaimer: I readily admit that I want kid Loki to be Loki too. So my perceptions can be warped.
I think what he says in that panel is more complicated than that: he isn’t saying kid Loki isn’t Loki, he is saying Loki isn’t kid Loki. Kid Loki is a separated part of himself, made independent. Kind of like Leah was an independent part of Hela. And didn’t Gillen say Loki “vanquished his innocence”? Doesn’t that imply kid Loki was Loki too? (Maybe we should just send him an ask. After this stops being fun. I’m enjoying this.) And what about Ikol? The fact that only kid Loki (and Leah and Hela) could see him makes me believe that kid Loki is in fact a part of Loki. And that he is therefor Loki.
And as I see it, kid Loki did get something out of his sacrifice. Part of his motivation is in fact that classic Loki motivation: self-preservation. Self-preservation isn’t just bodily, or even about existing. It’s about identity as well, especially here. A large part of his identity is not wanting to be that Loki. And if he’d given in to the instinct to survive no matter what, that he exactly what he would have become.
I don’t know, I just think it’s a lot more interesting if kid Loki has, at the very base, the same make-up as Loki. It justifies his doubts about himself and there’s real internal conflict if he does feel the same instincts but decides to not act on them. And I think #643 shows us he does have all the same things Loki would feel. It also shows us he could be that Loki, if he wanted too. He fooled the characters and a lot of readers alike. (Wow we had a shitstorm after that.)
It is possible that Loki took some random kid and placed himself in him. But I really would rather not believe that. Because just, that poor kid. If this is the case, what the fuck happened to him? Was his consciousness erased from existence? Nope. Nope nope nope. I’d rather believe that Loki’s body returning was part of the deal. I mean, come on. Loki is vain. He likes his body. Would he choose to inhabit some filthy mortal?
You tell ‘em, Loki.
Also, with McKelvie drawing again the resemblance is more than just sort of looking the same. I mean.
That’s the same dude. Like, in body. Because in mind they of course are. But at the same time not, because Loki was affected by what happened and blahblahblah I’ll stop rambling now.
I am more in line with you, Robin. Who we are is a result of our life experiences. As an example, I’ve been asked if I’ve ever wished my mother had never died? While I miss her, her death was the single biggest catalyst for change in my life, and I like the person I am today because that change made me a stronger, better person. I would never want to lose that and to not have those experiences happen to me means I wouldn’t be ME anymore. That person would be similar to me, sure, because we’d have the same base to start with, but there would still be major differences. I am fiercely independent now but I never was before my mother’s death.
Kid Loki is what happens when you take Loki and cherry pick from him the things that comprise the good part of his life experiences. His love of Thor without the hatred and bitterness attached, his love of mischief without the need to hurt others in the process. Kid Loki had scattered, hazy memories of things from Loki’s past, and the way I see it, Loki made sure he only remembered what he wanted him to remember. Because he wasn’t the complete picture that made up Loki, Kid Loki was able to react to things in ways Loki never could and became his own separate person in the process.
He was the Loki Loki could have been if his life had been different.
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Kid Loki is certainly the easier one to love. He’s a sweet, dear child desperate for love and affection.
I’ll always think that the truest sign of Thor’s nobility isn’t all of the stopping of evil doers he does, but the fact that he never lets go of his love for Loki. For all of his faults, be they his love of violence or his arrogance or his selfishness, Thor has a good heart and it’s never stopped loving Loki, even with Loki at his worst.
I think a lot of people just assume Kid Loki is essentially Loki as a child revisited and the same one Thor grew up with, but he’s not. The brief glimpses we’ve seen of Loki as a child show him already to be full of the problems that plague him as an adult. He’s selfish and scheming and already possesses his anger and the beginnings of his malice. That is what Thor grew up with and loved, a Loki already damaged even if he wasn’t as outright fucked up as Loki eventually becomes. Kid Loki was essentially a stranger to Thor.
Which leads me into why I will be disappointed with the writing if Thor DOESN’T recognize a difference between Kid Loki and Loki. Thor is not stupid and is actually rather perceptive. I don’t care how good an actor Loki is (and really, for all his brilliant scheming, Loki is shit at controlling his emotions), Thor’s not going to miss the changes. This is the brother he’s known for thousands of years. This is the brother who he has the history with. This is the brother that he loved and lost and mourned and wanted back so badly he ignored all of the other people he loved to do so.
So, who is his favourite? I think he loves both of them, but I know if this was me, I’d be partial to the person I had history with, the person who I remembered in all of my memories, and the one who conversely had the same knowledge of me.
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The lovely inuryuvr as Kid Loki wearing an Ikol kigurumi. I don’t know how much more meta a costume can get.
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And here are the rest of my AUSA pictures.
The Marvel photoshoots were super fun! Thank you to Lyliah for organizing them.
Also hello to inuryuvr <3333
Man, that Snape cosplayer was amazing and he had the voice down pat. After scarring him for life, he gave me candy. Clearly, he recognized Loki as the OG Slytherin.
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